Do the edges of the CK3 map reflect real discontinuities in the medieval world?

Do the edges of the CK3 map reflect real discontinuities in the medieval world?

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Crusader Kings III was released a week or so ago, mostly to critical acclaim. I, too, have played the new release, and enjoyed it thoroughly. However, the while the new map is significantly better than its predecessor, the matter of where the edges are drawn is still causing me a bit of unease. Do they actually reflect real geographical and/or cultural discontinuities/separations/gulfs/etc in the medieval world?

This is what the map looks like for the 867 AD start.

And this is my take on the four edges: north, west, east and south.


This, I think, is the least contentious edge. The 'wide and wasteful' arctic ocean presents an impossible barrier even today. The only things north of Norway's North Cape are Svalbard and the ice cap, neither of which were inhabited in medieval times.

The closest thing to a criticism of the map's northern edge that I can think of would be that large parts of northern Russia have been excluded from the game. But these regions are sparsely populated even today, and had little impact even on Russia's more temperate climes.


This, again, is fairly uncontroversial. Leif Erikson may have landed in America, but the true significance of his voyages wasn't realised until centuries later. Even Madeira wasn't discovered until 1420, so the Atlantic makes a good western edge.


This edge would be the one that has aroused the most controversy amongst the community, but I personally am quite happy about it. The Gobi desert is a natural barrier between China and Mongolia, just as the Himalayas are a natural barrier between China and Tibet (or between Tibet and the rest of China, depending on your politics). If you're going to exclude China from the map, this is the way to do it.

For me, the one question mark over the eastern edge is the cutoff between Burma/Myanmar and Bangladesh. Perusing Google maps, there are almost no roads joining the two modern day countries, and Bengali is an Indo-European language whereas Burmese is Sino-Tibetan. On the other hand, Burma was part of British India. Is this a reasonable place to draw such an absolute border? Was there much contact between Bengal and Burma in the middle ages?


The southern edge represents the biggest change from CK2's map, which had drawn a straight line through both Ethiopia and Mali. The new edge is a massive improvement, but I still have two queries:

  1. The western-most cutoff on the southern edge is around the Gulf of Guinea. I remember reading that dense jungle around what is now Cameroon prevented Islam from spreading any further south into Africa. Is that true? Was there much contact Southern and West Africa in the middle ages?
  2. The most questionable boundary, for me, is the eastern-most cutoff of the southern edge, in southern Somalia. Was there much contact between Somalia and Kenya in the middle ages? A brief perusal of Wikipedia suggests that there was; Ibn Battuta spent the night in Mombasa. But I'd be eager to hear a more learned opinion on this one.


  1. Kizilkree

    I think this - the wrong way.

  2. Mamo

    let's take a look

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